The Art and Science of Entrepreneurship with Deborah Nute 4th coaching

Speaker 1: 1:09

Welcome to the Undiscovered Entrepreneur, the podcast where brand new entrepreneurs come to life and could quite possibly be discovered. Join me, DJ Scoob and the rest of the screw believers as we help these new businesses become a reality. And now, way we go.

Speaker 2: 1:40

We now join DJ Scoob with the next coaching of Deborah Newt, owner of Leap Life Coaching, already in progress. Over the last month, what's happened? I mean, what have you been doing? You got the questionnaire out, which is amazing, and I'm going to talk about that a little bit. What else is going on?

Speaker 3: 1:58

All right, let me just think, because there's just so much going on. I was actually really proud of myself for getting the questionnaire out. I think I said to you the previous time that I was like I don't know if it's a good idea this, that and the other thing but you really encouraged me to do it. So I don't think I would have done it had I not felt accountable to you and whatnot to do it. So I did, and I did it quite a while ago and, to be honest, I was looking for your feedback on the structure and I almost teared up when you filled it in. I was like God, thank you so much for engaging with me and using my product, and we can talk about it a little bit. But that was one thing that I was really happy I did and it just made me envision like a whole portfolio of tools and content that I can make available to my coaching clients. So there was that. I've tried, I did have those few surgeries, but I've posted to Instagram posts that automatically get posted to Facebook with some insights from a coaching perspective. So all of this is this is 100% in my opinion me trying to get coaching clients and I had some really positive feedback. Yeah, and I had two wait, two, three, three very like two very old friends from Canada like I'm talking, I haven't spoken to them in 30 years reach out to me and say thank you so much for being vulnerable and for sharing. And then another woman that I know she's American but she lives in Greece. I hadn't spoken to her in at least 10 years. She also reached out and two of them listened to your the episode that we did together. You know you're pointing me. Yes, and they were like just thank you so much for sharing your story and I had, and what? Even apologize. She's like Deb, I knew you back then. I had no idea you were depressed or going through any of that, and I'm, you know, I'm so sorry, I'm like no, it's, it's fine. So that was something beautiful that came out of that. And you know, I just I really believe in word of mouth. I've told you so many times that when I was teaching yoga, I didn't do anything. I found my first group of elderly ladies and it just started snowballing. So, even though none of these women have approached me for coaching, you know, I think that they might talk to people and it might spread, sort of that way. So that's I've been trying to be. I've decided that I want to do one post like that per week. I did this weekend. I I should have, and I just don't think I'm going to have a chance to today, but I'll have it in my mind to do it like tomorrow or something like that. So that was another thing. The third thing I think I I think I had done the photo shoot when we spoke last.

Speaker 2: 5:01

Right.

Speaker 3: 5:02

Right, okay so. I did the photo shoot. I'm not 100% happy with the photos, but okay, for a first time around, I think it was okay. So I the two posts that I mentioned. I used two of those photos even though they weren't edited yet, and I just got the final edit yesterday. I haven't even had a chance to open the the folder, so I'm going to look at that, but you know that that's a step toward my building my coaching career but, it is also a huge step for me personally, like getting outside of my comfort zone and you know what your previous call, you know your, your clients said about. You know what will people think? That is just so such a limiting thought and something that I still struggle with, so I'm I'm feeling like the more uncomfortable I feel, the more I know I should do it.

Speaker 2: 5:54

Yeah, you're learning.

Speaker 3: 5:56

Yeah, exactly, it's exactly. I still have that Canadian coaching client that I told you about. Oh good, I ditched the Indian guy. I think I told you that. I very clearly told him that, no, my rate is this If you want to coach, if you want to send me a text, that's my rate. And he hasn't texted me since. So that's okay, and with my coaching client it's a really interesting exercise in running a business. We can get into that more of sort of telling you like a like, a sort of a top level list of what I've been doing. So I'll tell you about him. I've still got him. And then something that absolutely has blown my mind. Remember when I told you last time that I just had this crazy flash to possibly look into a modeling career as a 50 plus model?

Speaker 2: 6:55

Yes, yes, I remember that very well.

Speaker 3: 6:58

Yeah, which was absolutely just like a cosmic download, like there was no rhyme or reason to me having that thought. So thank you God for and thank me for having the clarity of mind to be able to receive that kind of a message. So I didn't do it the day that I was telling you I wanted to do it. And then I, with my surgeries, I was like, oh, typical Deb, you know, she had this great idea and didn't pounce on it, so sorry. And then, just this Friday, even though I've got my, my foot's bandaged, my nose is still stuffed up. I'm super busy. I was like, no, I'm going to do it right now. There you go and yeah, I use some of the pictures from the photo shoot and I took a few selfies and I sat down all Friday morning and I sent to various agencies pictures or I filled in their online form become a model this, that and the other thing. I must have reached out to, let's say, six or seven agencies, and I'm thinking it's Friday, I'm not going to hear anything, I'm probably not going to hear anything anyway, but who you know? It's out there in the cosmos now and the universe can decide what they want to do with that information. So I just today, sunday, which no, no, sorry today I realized that I missed an email on Friday from one of the Greek coach coaching modeling agencies, a woman asking me for another selfie, but, you know, no makeup, looking into the camera and all that stuff. I just saw that today, so I jumped on that and I sent that back to her, which kind of blew my mind. It's like that means they must be kind of interested if, if you know, they're asking me for further information. And then, just an hour ago, I got another email from another modeling portal let's say it's a year in, what? It's, not a Greek one and they said that my application has been accepted that I'm very suitable, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then I have to call them at certain times, whatever this week, to sort of see what the next steps are. So I'm like I'm not getting ahead of myself, but I'm like you've got to be effing, joking me, you know, like insane, insane and so outside my comfort zone and so exciting if I can make some extra income. And so, in line with empowering women, which is, you know, it all ties in together. You know, coaching to empower people, modeling to empower 50 plus women. You know life doesn't end at 29 kind of thing. Yeah, because you don't know that, like, unless you're 50, you know, I just read about, I followed Jane Fonda on Instagram. She seemed she might even be in her 80s, but anyway, very late 70s, maybe early 80s, and she said, you know, to paraphrase something like I was terrified of old age until I got here, and something like that like you know way it is. It's like, how did you use to think about 50, some year olds, you know? It's like, well, 50, one foot in the grave.

Speaker 2: 10:16

Over the hill.

Speaker 3: 10:18

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 10:20

That's it.

Speaker 3: 10:20

Yeah, so I think that's sort of all I can. Those sort of like five things are all I can come up with right now. Okay, yes, I just changing my language. I am a life coach. No, I'm trying to be, I want to be. Yeah, it's a simple thing. Sorry, so have men pause.

Speaker 2: 10:43

That's okay.

Speaker 3: 10:45

All about. Since you're a keen listener, yes, yeah, and something else I do. I don't think it's a conflict of interest. No, I don't think so. I, when we, when Chris and I follow like another podcast on Instagram, I also follow them as myself as Deborah News, because I want, like that's a whole other network where somebody might see my page and and you know, sort of know my work on the podcast, but also be like oh, she's also a life coach, like I've got this issue, I've got this sister. You just never know. I just want to have my feelers out everywhere, that's it. I mean each of those. I can go into more detail, but I want to let you ask any questions or whatever you know that might have come up.

Speaker 2: 11:36

All right. So before I get into that, I want to see what's on your mind now for the next month. What, what, what do you have planned for yourself in the next month? I mean, what kind of goals are you trying to achieve?

Speaker 3: 11:49

That's a good question, because I don't think, I really don't think I've set any concrete goals. I think I use the thing. I just firmly believe that if I just keep putting stuff out there, it's going to come Like I got my first client without doing anything really, like just sort of posting and we sort of connecting with him. So anyway, I know I need to have specific goals. I know that as a coach, I know that. So two things that come to mind briefly. Well, firstly, I'm going to continue my posting using my, my pictures that are hopefully edited. Well, the other thing I was thinking I was looking forward to receiving your feedback on the questionnaire to see if you thought I needed to. First, I want to fill in the questionnaire myself because that's very key. I also want to give it to a friend to fill in. I'm really appreciate it so much that you filled it in. So one if you, unless there's anything you think I should change or anything I decide I should change I was thinking of posting that I have this self assessment that I've come up with and if anybody's interested in doing it, dm me. I'm not going to post it online. Obviously it's confidential. I don't want it to be out there. I want people to have to contact me to get it, and I haven't really thought it through, but I don't know. I hope somebody would ask for it Somehow doing. I don't want to give away freebies, I really don't, but I was thinking of somehow like maybe anybody who fills it in like doing sort of a 30 minute, which isn't very much time, brief assessment of the questionnaire and then them having to decide if they want to continue with me or not. Okay, so that was one thing always in the back of my mind. I've got my website that I want to work on. Yeah, it just needs time and stuff like that. So I guess the answer to your question is that, no, I haven't set new specific goals for May.

Speaker 2: 14:23

Okay, that's okay. So what we're going to do here is we're going to make some for you.

Speaker 3: 14:29

Okay.

Speaker 2: 14:30

Okay, so ultimately, by the end of the conversation here today, we're going to have a few goals for you to hit for the next month. Okay.

Speaker 3: 14:36

All right Perfect.

Speaker 2: 14:38

So what I'm going to talk to you about first is actually I know this is kind of out of order that I usually do this, but it's really important to me that I talk to you about your questionnaire.

Speaker 3: 14:50

Okay.

Speaker 2: 14:51

Okay, because this is the one thing that you're really predicating everything around. So, first of all, I love the questionnaire. You ask them very good questions, they're very source and you give people a chance to be able to measure how much of whatever question is you answered to, and it gives them some time to self-reflect on what's actually happening in their life. I like that.

Speaker 3: 15:15

Thank you so so much, Thank you.

Speaker 2: 15:18

So the only couple of things that I would change if I were and this is just my opinion, of course is expectation of time. It's kind of a long questionnaire. Oh, it is.

Speaker 3: 15:30

It is.

Speaker 2: 15:31

Okay. So if you set an expectation of how much time it's going to take to be able to fill out the questionnaire, people are more apt to put time aside to be able to do it thoroughly. So I understand you say in your questionnaire a quiet place where you can. You know that kind of thing in your and that's good. But I think in that same line she'd say give yourself X amount of time to do the test.

Speaker 3: 16:01

Fantastic feedback. How long did it take you to fill it out?

Speaker 2: 16:05

It took me about 15, 15 minutes.

Speaker 3: 16:07

Okay, so I can say between, let's say, 15 to 30 minutes.

Speaker 2: 16:10

Yes, that way it gives them a time frame to set aside, to sit down and actually fully concentrate on just the test. If they're trying to take the test where the kids are around all over the place, this is all the time they've said aside, oh, I better hurry up and take this test. I feel, even though you're saying, do this in a quiet place. If you really set yourself in the place of taking it. Unless you set these expectations of how to take the test, they're not going to be able to fully concentrate on the test. So if you give them a time frame to give them that expectation to be able to take the test in a quiet area and give themselves at least 15 to 30 minutes of being able to do it, they'll do it.

Speaker 3: 16:50

Okay, okay, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 16:54

Okay. So the other thing I noticed, too, is you have your right, underneath that you have your singing, and then you have your breakdown of what each letter means right On the sides. I would actually change that to a cross instead of down, because when you have it down like this, you have so much open space in that area. It seems kind of naked.

Speaker 3: 17:17

So wait a second. What you mean? Like becoming me, yeah. Are you going to show, like do it for me, okay, visualize it for me.

Speaker 2: 17:27

So, instead of becoming me sideways, have it, have it be. And then what B stands for, then E, then what E stands for going down, because that'll fill in a lot of that empty space.

Speaker 3: 17:40

Okay. Do you think, though, that with the letters going down vertically, people will? The words will be sort of legible?

Speaker 2: 17:47

If you give them enough space between letters, it'll be less.

Speaker 3: 17:50

Yeah, okay, thank you. So vertical, well, no, I have a couple. Anyway, I think I understand, okay, thank you. Thank you, yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:04

So that'll visually look a little bit better, I think.

Speaker 3: 18:08

Okay.

Speaker 2: 18:09

Yeah, and the last thing that I have written down here for you is at the very end it stops. There's no questions or no nothing. There's nothing after that. Okay, so I would actually, at the end of that, thank you for taking my test. If you have information, if you have, you know that's where you put your contact information, because after the taking the test, they want it. If they want to know more about what you do, that's where you want to put your pitch and it's after the test is over. So, like, thank you for taking the test, I will be reaching out to you, or whatever your next expectation is for the next step. They want to know what that next step is. If you don't have that next step, they're going to be lost.

Speaker 3: 18:50

You're absolutely right. And something I'm also thinking I think it occurred to me at some point, but then I forgot about it is that I also want them to feel like I think it requires a certain amount of vulnerability. The assessment yeah, I want them to know that they're in a safe space and they're held by me. So you're absolutely right that I need to like I think I've done a pretty good job with the introduction, but you're right, I need to bookend that and be like I'm sort of I'll word it appropriately, but I'm here for you and I thank you and I appreciate you and you're absolutely right about that. And before I forget, something that I thought of I was wondering I'm not sure this is actually. I want to talk about this with you, particularly the part about sex. I was thinking of telling people in the beginning if there's anything you're uncomfortable answering, just leave it right. Okay, yeah, I forgot about that, okay.

Speaker 2: 19:46

Because that gets into a subject that somebody might not be comfortable with talking about. I'm an open book, so I'm cool, but not everybody is. So somewhere in the intro or somewhere in parentheses, if there's or even like at the question itself, any questions at itself where you feel somebody might be uncomfortable, maybe put on the bottom. If you're not comfortable, do not answer at the actual question, instead of like a top or bottom.

Speaker 3: 20:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or or I could, or I could also phrase it like if you don't answer, if you're not comfortable, don't answer. Or if you would feel more comfortable discussing this with me in person. You know what I mean. Like that. So they feel that there's a like. I don't want them to feel like they're odd or strange because they don't want to answer a question that I apparently think is okay to ask. You know, so I want them to know that. You know you might want to answer it, but you might want to feel like you're in a safer, more private space to do that, and that can be offered as well.

Speaker 2: 20:47

Or you can even say that somewhere in the intro and the top, saying if saying the same thing, if you're not comfortable, don't answer. But even at the question itself, say the same thing. That way, as they're going along at the top, they feel comfortable, At the question, they feel comfortable.

Speaker 3: 21:02

Yeah, yeah, okay, fantastic, yes, thank you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 2: 21:07

Okay, okay, okay, okay. So, and then, of course, thank you, and here's your next steps at the end of the, at the questionnaire.

Speaker 3: 21:17

Yeah, perfect, thank you, okay, thank you.

Speaker 2: 21:21

The other thing, too, is I got a little bit jumbled up when you I got the email. I opened up the email and I realized that I actually had to. What I actually had to do was send it to a Google as a Google doc to be able to fill it out.

Speaker 3: 21:37

Really yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:38

And that was the only way I was able to fill it out. Now, I'm not technologically savvy. I'm sure there's a better way to do it or a different way to do it. My first reaction was oh, I have to print this out.

Speaker 3: 21:50

Okay, that's. That's really important to know, because I, you see, it was giving me the whatever, the possibility to X the boxes, just in normal words. So I was thinking it would just open up for everybody, like that, but you, they weren't clickable for you, just when you.

Speaker 2: 22:08

Not at first, so at the top of the email, after I clicked on it, it says transfer to Google doc. Okay, and I had to press that button and now now the, now the, the, the doc is in Google doc, so that actually might trip some people up, because now it's on the cloud. Right Now it's on the cloud. When it's in the cloud, that means it's accessible.

Speaker 3: 22:31

Of course, yeah, unlikely, but absolutely. But you understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 22:38

So we have to find a way to where, when you send it to them and an email that it's, you, could just right there, exit right there, or give some kind of instruction of how to be able to do it, because if somebody feels like they have to print it out, they're going to shut it down. They're going to shut it down because now they have to pull the printer out, they have to, you know, do all these extra steps to be able to print it out, and now they, now they have to fill it out by hand, and now they have to rescan it and, you know, it just seems like a big mess. It is.

Speaker 3: 23:09

Okay, Thank you, that's fantastic feedback. I might actually try it with a couple of friends sending it to see how, what it's going to ask them for, if it's going to ask everybody you know to be a Google doc and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 23:21

Okay, ultimately you want to be able for it to show up, and then they could fill it out right there.

Speaker 3: 23:27

Yes, exactly, and save it yeah.

Speaker 2: 23:29

Now I know there's a way to do it, but unfortunately I I don't know how. It's okay, so I'll figure it out, All right. So those changes I think would be the changes I would make and now send it out to who are, you know, your friends or family or whatever, to be able to get their feedback on it. I mean, a lot of that could be wrong, I don't know. That's just. These are just my feelings on it.

Speaker 3: 23:54

So no, all of them are 100% amazing comments, so thank you.

Speaker 2: 24:01

All right, so I'm really excited about the modeling agency.

Speaker 3: 24:07

Me too God.

Speaker 2: 24:10

That is fantastic where it just came out of the and you know a lot of times just that one idea that comes out of the blue is the thing that actually, it really changes a lot of different things in your life and it's just a fleeting thought. So so, being able to capture that thought, and even though you waited a day or two to do it, I'm still glad you actually did it out there. So, but the one thing I would do is the modeling groups that are actually reaching out to you make sure you research who they actually are. Yeah, yes, so my daughter, when she was younger, there was a. It was a for like television commercials or something like that, and they would go out to malls and tell kids to to. You know, grab them up and say, hey, say this real quick. Oh, that's great, why don't you go to this audition? So my daughter actually did that and she went to the audition and she passed the audition and they had her and me sit down with the person that was in charge and say, okay, we're going to do this for you, but it's going to cost you $2,300.

Speaker 3: 25:19

Yeah, that's ridiculous, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:22

So obviously, at that particular point I didn't have that money and but I felt in my heart, if I had that money I would do it because I want my daughter to succeed and this is something she was actually really good at.

Speaker 3: 25:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:32

But that definitely taught me to to especially when it comes to stuff like this not be taken advantage of. So make sure these companies that are actually reaching out to you are actual companies. Check out their ratings, google them, whatever you need to do to make sure they're legitimate.

Speaker 3: 25:50

Yes, for sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah, one of them well, one of them just asked for extra pictures, so that's as far as I've gone with them. The they all were reputable, I know that, but one of them actually sent me, like, the terms and conditions, so I have to go through that. But yeah, you're absolutely right. Legitimacy Okay, yes.

Speaker 2: 26:15

So just otherwise keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, I really think, I really think that might be something, an avenue for you to go down on top of everything else.

Speaker 3: 26:28

I think so too. I mean, I don't want to jinx it, I don't want to get ahead of myself, but it's just blowing my mind and and I think it's so interesting I don't know, maybe you don't find it interesting, but you know like, especially being a single woman now, for you know, I don't know, one and a half years, I don't, I don't want to say that I feel like I'm competing with 25 year olds because I, I'm, I'm, no, I'm not. But I was like I was just really proud of myself for thinking of doing the 50 plus model thing, like, instead of thinking, oh, you know, the ship has sailed on any kind of modeling career. Not that I ever thought of a modeling career, like I just never. But you know, I was like I might not have been able to be a model when I was 25, 35, but, goddamn, I can be a model at 50. You know, like it's that. Just I don't know, I don't know, I don't really I'm not finding my words today. We recorded today and I couldn't find my words for the episode either. I'm sure I found something, but I just it, just I liked the way I reframed it and I thought this I can do. It's crazy. So I, yeah, I will. So I will happily, happily, keep you up to date with whatever happens with that.

Speaker 2: 27:51

Yeah, you are actually in a niche. It's a niche, a specific niche, so don't feel like that you're competing with these other people because really, technically you're not, exactly You're not. And, yeah, it's good enough to where people are actually reaching out to you. So you know we've got to be doing something right.

Speaker 3: 28:10

Exactly and I just you know when I was going through their portals and all that stuff they had. You know people, 80 year old models. I mean somebody has to model for menopause, somebody has to model for I don't know. As I said, I can't find my words, but you know, I often thought of like a lot of bit actors like these older people, the grandpa, the, this, the that. Like when did they get this like idea that just become an actor at 75 or 80? Like it's brilliant.

Speaker 2: 28:42

The same way you did.

Speaker 3: 28:44

Yeah, I guess, I guess, yeah, I guess. So Crazy, crazy stuff. So thank you.

Speaker 2: 28:52

You actually might want to start reaching out to people that are doing what you're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 3: 28:56

Yeah, I don't know anybody, but maybe if I thought about it, I would think of something.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Google knows.

Speaker 3: 29:03

Yeah, google does know.

Speaker 2: 29:04

You know what it's a MBD? Oh yeah, and just say I find actors that are in that age bracket or these modeling industry. You know, when you start getting a little bit more into the modeling industry, you start making modeling friends. Talk to them yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 29:25

Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2: 29:26

There might even be a Facebook group.

Speaker 3: 29:29

Yeah, the sky's the limit. Like I've only just tapped the surface you know.

Speaker 2: 29:35

So I mean, if you really want to get into this, I would start trying to be with people or getting to know people that are doing what you're doing to accomplish and learn from that.

Speaker 3: 29:46

Yes, that is so important for everything and I don't think you can know you can, but I'm so committed to surrounding myself with people who inspire me in any part, whether it's podcasting, whether it's coaching, whether it's modeling, whether it's whatever Like I just I don't want to waste any time on you know what's it called? Small talk, the weather, I'm done. I've been talking about that for 50 years. I've talked about my kid, I've talked about other people's kids. I don't want to talk about my kid anymore. I want to talk, I want to learn, I want to. My coaching client actually said it best. He said, you know, I want to be around people who are quote unquote better than me, because that's how I'm going to become better. You know what I mean, not in a self-deprecating way, but people that I can learn from, people whose brains I can, you know, tap into and learn from. In fact, one of the sorry go ahead.

Speaker 2: 30:48

It's really the shortcut of how to learn things that you've never done before.

Speaker 3: 30:52

Exactly, yeah, the human experience, the good and the bad, you know. Avoid this, don't do that, absolutely, make so much of it. I'm just writing it down. Yeah. One of the women who I was telling you reached out to me after one of my posts, who listened to our episode together on yours. She was like Deb, I'm so excited to hear this and, you know, let's chat. So we actually set up a call yesterday and we had an amazing chat. And she's a yoga teacher. She's doing quite well here in Greece and you know, I had I just thought it would be like a catch up, but she also started a podcast. So she was sort of picking my brain for podcasting stuff because I've just, you know, been doing it a little bit longer than her. But then she has and is successfully marketing for yoga programs, her courses, her lessons and all that. So I was able to pick her brain on that, for which, for me, would be coaching. So it was just this beautiful exchange of two entrepreneurs, sort of helping each other, supporting each other, sharing knowledge. It was really really so meaningful. I thought it was just going to be like a, you know, a chat over coffee, but it ended up being a lot more than that.

Speaker 2: 32:13

Actually happens a lot. Yeah, happens a lot more than you think. Yeah, especially as somebody that's doing something within your own niche, or a niche that you were in at one point, where you find a common ground. I mean, you're both yoga instructors at one point she's just taken it to a different level. You do win a different way, but you're both podcasters, you both coach in your own ways. I mean, you know yoga instructor is going to have some sort of like coaching that she's going to have to do.

Speaker 3: 32:38

Oh God, I mean and she said to me Deb, it's all yoga, it's all coaching, Everything it's all. Everything is just, you know, a different specialization, let's say, but we're pretty much in the same business.

Speaker 2: 32:52

There you go. That would actually be a good person to follow up with, probably even for your own coaching, just to offer exchanges for your information and her information, just in general.

Speaker 3: 33:04

Exactly, absolutely. She already sent me she did a course on shoot. What was it called? What's it called? Oh, another word for moral, anyway, moral marketing. You know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, she said to me I haven't had a chance to watch it yet, so I was thinking of like reciprocating with maybe something she might be interested in from me.

Speaker 2: 33:32

Send her the questionnaire.

Speaker 3: 33:34

Yeah, that's a very good idea. Wow, you're smart.

Speaker 2: 33:46

If she's going to send you something that she wants you to look over and see if it's something that you want, like I did for you, why wouldn't you send her the questionnaire?

Speaker 3: 33:58

Absolutely Sorry. Ethical marketing Is that what it is?

Speaker 2: 34:02

That sounds good.

Speaker 3: 34:03

Yeah, okay, sorry sorry, just because it came to me Okay.

Speaker 2: 34:06

I was going to see what you're not thinking about it, yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:09

Do you remember that episode where I yelled at Wolverine?

Speaker 2: 34:11

Yes, oh my.

Speaker 3: 34:20

God Marketing. Okay, yes, perfect, thank you All right.

Speaker 2: 34:27

And, you know, the one thing I always keep in mind too is I am the combination of the five people I hang around most. Yes, so if you hang around people that are drab, that aren't going into wearing life, they are really kind of floating. That's how you're going to be. But if you surround yourself with people that are doing something similar to you, that are encouraging you, that are smarter than you, those are the people that's going to bring you up.

Speaker 3: 34:58

Yeah, this is it most time. Yeah, I've heard that before, but I'm glad you said it again. I kind of forgot about that, but you're absolutely right. Yeah, you are really good.

Speaker 2: 35:08

That's what I think of a lot when we were talking about mentors and people that we surround ourselves with, so that always comes up in my head. Next thing I want to really kind of go over with I'm proud of you for firing your Indian friend.

Speaker 3: 35:24

Thank you. I am too Thank you.

Speaker 2: 35:26

Yeah, don't be afraid to fire a client.

Speaker 3: 35:29

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:33

Especially as we're getting started, we want as many clients as we can because we want to get our name out there. So we'll take on anybody and everybody possible, no matter what the situation is, and that can actually lead to a serious mistake or problem.

Speaker 3: 35:46

Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 35:48

Because what happened when we hang on to the Indian guy? He started taking advantage of us basically. He started asking you questions at oddball times and things like that, and you weren't really getting anything. There was no reciprocation happening at all.

Speaker 3: 36:03

No, zero boundaries, Zero appreciation. No, no, it was horrible. It was horrible.

Speaker 2: 36:11

So when we come across clients like that, we got to do I'm saying this for anybody that's listening to this, not just you, but we come across anybody that's like that to us, we need to not be afraid. There's that word again to be able to fire a client.

Speaker 3: 36:26

Yeah, yes, no, I know, I get it.

Speaker 2: 36:30

And it's going to happen, especially in our business and what we do. We are going to have clients that are going to be like that. So don't hang on to them longer than you feel you have to, because once you start getting through those boundaries and they're not keeping to the word, they're getting wishy-washy about scheduling and things like that. You don't want to have people like that under your belt.

Speaker 3: 36:52

I know, yeah, I get it, keep going. But I'll get back to that with my current client. I'll tell you about that, but keep going with your questions, okay.

Speaker 2: 37:03

Well, I was actually going to move on to something else real quick. That was just a point that I really wanted to make for you. It's not just for this client, but for any other client that might be pushing those boundaries on you.

Speaker 3: 37:14

Yeah, okay, I think this right here did I pull that little one again. All right Okay.

Speaker 2: 37:24

Did you want to touch on something? Go ahead.

Speaker 3: 37:26

Yeah, Okay. So my client now. I think I told you we grew up in the same area. He was a friend of my brother's, I was a friend of his sister's, so I didn't I wasn't really much in contact with him much. Anyway, he was in the States for a long time. Move back to Canada. He found me on Facebook. We started chatting and I understood immediately that he was attracted to me and loved talking to me, because we're both, you know, quite sort of well read on. You know philosophies. He's he. I'm really proud of him. Actually, he did a detox, he for alcoholism in September. He's doing really great, but he's, you know, got a lot. It's very difficult and I just can't even imagine trying to recover from addiction, but a lot of stuff going on. His parents passed away, he was sexually abused, just all this stuff. Anyway, yeah, you're not going to publish this, are you? If you are, we need to take some of this out.

Speaker 2: 38:27

I'll take the. I'll definitely take out the description of his situation, Don't worry.

Speaker 3: 38:33

Yeah, well, anyway, you'll tell me before you publish it. So I know that he just I feel like. He felt like, oh my God, I have found like not only a person who understands me and is so compassionate and I can talk to you about all these things that interest me, but she's also pretty and you know, I think I just was like this angel that dropped into his lap sort of thing. Sorry, but I don't mean that in a stuck up way. It doesn't happen. This is how. I see it. So I was starting to ignore. He was texting me a lot, kind of like the guy from India, and I was starting to answer his texts whenever I wanted to, whenever I had time I did. I could tell that he was becoming very needy and I don't like that neediness. And anyway he finally said to me you know what? My therapist is on vacation for a month or something like that. I'll do coaching with you for a month, oh yeah. Anyway, I told you this and I told you that I was charged. I said okay, if you commit to six or four sessions, the charge is $60. Sorry, excuse my cat, $60 per session, $240. That's the commitment. Absolutely dead, no problem for sure. So we get our first session.

Speaker 1: 40:00

we've done four sessions now, but anyway we did the first session.

Speaker 3: 40:03

I sent in my bank details and he sends me $500. Did I tell you that?

Speaker 2: 40:08

No no.

Speaker 3: 40:10

Oaks me 60 because we had. I didn't ask for an upfront payment of 240. I asked him to just commit to the 240. And he sends me 500. And I was actually really pissed off. I didn't. I was pissed off because I was like that's not respecting my boundaries. What are you trying to impress me? Are you mixing our professional relationship with? What are you trying to do? So I did actually text him. I'm like thank you very much, but what does this mean? I need to know exactly what $500 means to you. Does it mean 10 sessions? What does it mean? And he replied a whole bunch of stuff, but essentially he's like look, we spent the first session was supposed to be an hour $60. We were on for three hours and then the second session was supposed to be two. I said, to be honest, the three hour thing that's on me, that's my inability to keep the time and respect my own boundary, that's my anyway. So he was like you know what, deb, the math will work out. My understanding of that was you know, we've done four sessions, but we've probably spoken for about nine hours. So the $500 is probably pretty much being used up. Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 41:32

So in his mind, each hour was $60. It sounds like, or something close to that.

Speaker 3: 41:37

Exactly.

Speaker 2: 41:38

Okay.

Speaker 3: 41:40

And so, anyway, this is a little bit of a long story, but we've done four absolutely amazing sessions and I think they've been, you know, I think they have been good for him too, absolutely. And he's been texting me in the meantime but it's, yeah, I probably have given. I think that again the $500 tripped me up and like he thought he was doing me a favor or impressing me, and it actually really threw me because I was like, what does this mean? So I've been very swearing today. Does this mean that I owe him time in between our sessions? What does this mean? So it's a huge lesson in boundaries. So then, at the end of our last session, I gave him some, let's say, homework, some things to ruminate on and stuff like that, and he texts me afterwards and he goes you know what? I'm going to give you some homework too. And I said I'm not sure I understand. And he said, no, I just want you to like, there's this book that has really helped me. I would love you to read it and listen to this song. And no, I said to him he doesn't understand. When I said to him, and I can show you the text, I said I will. I'm grateful for any sort of recommendations you have anything. Absolutely. I respect you and your. You know paths, so absolutely. But what has to be 100% clear here is that this relationship is that I am coaching you. You are accountable to me, I am not accountable to you, because I feel like what he's trying to do is what I feel like he's ultimately trying to do is turn this into a relationship whether it's a friendship, whether it's a romantic relationship so that I will I don't know if he's doing this consciously so that he won't ultimately have to pay for it. But I'm just going to be so blown away by what I'm getting from him. That is like how can I charge this guy? I'm benefiting, and that's also pissing me off.

Speaker 2: 43:50

Right.

Speaker 3: 43:52

And then yesterday or a few days ago, he said I don't think I can speak this weekend, I don't think I can come to our session this weekend. And he said something. He wrote something like I just I need to do some really important things and that's why I have to leave our session, something like that. And I said that's absolutely fine, and it's certainly not a monetary thing or anything. But all I want you to think about is those really important things that you have to do. I want you to write them down and I want you to what's it called? Oh, hot splash. I want you to really think about if they were worth putting your self-care on the back burner, because this session is for you. It's not a favor to me, it's not for me. I do my own coaching, my own coach, and I have a psychologist and I have a this and I have a that. This is for you. So I just want to be really clear that you're not putting yourself last. So, anyway, and he came back, and because I what I think I said in the wording was, I want to make sure that and I don't want to make sure, I would like us to look at together at the possibility that maybe you were prioritizing everything else over the support that you need. And he replies to me what do you mean by support our sessions? And I don't know how to explain this to you, but I said our sessions are the bane of this work. What I felt like he was saying was I have your support anyway. We text every day, you know why. Now, why do we need to formalize it by having a session? Kind of had to get it. And anyway, then I started recording. We recorded with all Hallows Eve yesterday. So I was recorded back to back. I was recording for like five hours and so I haven't gotten back to him, but I just I actually prayed to God today. I was like, please give me the clarity and the maturity and the professionalism too, and I know I will handle this the way it needs to be handled. I need him to tell me exactly what the $500 meant, and because I don't know now now I don't know, have I earned it? Do I owe him another 10 sessions? I don't have a clue, and so I need to understand what the $500 meant when it's up, and we need to clarify our working relationship from now on. Okay, you can't. And now we started to talk to him about financial problems and you know I don't have money and this and that. So I just want to say yes, so the $500 was 100% to impress me. That's all it is, Jesse Right.

Speaker 2: 46:50

Yeah, I mean it sounds like he's. I don't mean to presume anything or just guess or assume anything, but it sounds like to me that he's not keeping the boundaries that you're citing for him.

Speaker 3: 47:08

Absolutely exactly.

Speaker 2: 47:09

So unless he's willing to accept your boundaries, then he is not. And I get he's your first client and it's very important and it's nice of him to send you that money. But it sounds like he sent you that money even though he couldn't afford it. Exactly why would you do that? Unless it was to impress?

Speaker 3: 47:30

That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2: 47:33

So what I? I would sit down with him one more time or text him, or you know. However, you want to communicate with him in a solid manner.

Speaker 3: 47:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:43

And say this is my boundaries. I only want to talk to you at this time. If you don't want to do that, then we're going to have to break this relationship off, and if I I hate to say this, but if I have to refund you that $500, then so be it.

Speaker 3: 47:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 47:58

I mean it's kind of it's kind of tough to give away that kind of money. That's pretty big money for us right now.

Speaker 3: 48:03

It is, it's Canadian, of course.

Speaker 2: 48:05

Well, but still, I mean 350 American is. That would be a lot for me. I could tell you that you know what I can do it $350 right now Of course, of course, even 240 I was happy with, which is like $180, you know, yeah, yeah, but I mean being that what it is our boundaries are more important than money.

Speaker 3: 48:28

I totally agree with you. I totally agree with you, yeah.

Speaker 2: 48:31

If he's not willing. I mean, if you have to do like I have a contract, we agree to each other. If you, if you need to do something like that with him, then that's the way it is. If he breaks the contract, then he breaks the relationship. Yeah, the professional relationship, because that's just really what it needs to be is a professional relationship.

Speaker 3: 48:54

That's it exactly. And, to be honest, he's thrown a few romantic things my way and I've said to him clearly I am not interested in a romantic relationship Like I don't know how much clearer I can be. So it's also like it's kind of like disrespect too. You know, it's like no means no.

Speaker 2: 49:24

Professionally.

Speaker 3: 49:25

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:27

Because that that actually in the, the prosperous coach, actually goes into that too. Really, and it goes into making sure that the relationships I mean we're not here to be friends, we're not here to be in a type of relationship, we're here in a professional level, to be professional, yeah. And if you can't meet those standards and if you can't meet those boundaries, then then you have to go up harder ways.

Speaker 3: 50:00

Exactly, and if nothing else, I mean I haven't. I mean I'm very good at managing my emotions much better than I was now, so I'm not. I haven't lost sleep over this issue, but it's taxing mentally, which is the last thing I need right now. This is what I want clear boundaries with everybody. I don't want to have to be thinking now what did he mean by that and what does that mean now? No, no, no, no, no, no. I've lost enough mental power to add so many things in my life.

Speaker 2: 50:33

If you're guessing and it's really leaving you kind of in a quandary, then it's not healthy.

Speaker 3: 50:40

Exactly, yeah, absolutely absolutely. Yeah, so I know I will figure that out.

Speaker 2: 50:48

Thank you for sharing that with me, by the way.

Speaker 3: 50:50

Okay, well, why? Why wouldn't I?

Speaker 2: 50:53

Just because that's I mean that's a rough thing to be going through, especially starting out like this at being our first client I know. So I just wanted to say thank you.

Speaker 3: 51:07

No, well, thank you for thanking me. What you and I something that's great is that we really are both open books and I just something else, which is a really important lesson I'm sure it is for you too that just because we're coaches doesn't mean hey, in fact the opposite is true. The first, like the worst, thing we could do would be to stifle ourselves by believing that we have all the answers, like I could easily come and say just about this issue, but I figured it out because I'm a coach, that's what I do, like, oh, I must be a pretty coach if I can. No, because you might say one thing or 10 things or nothing that might help me, because we're not like Feta Complete. You know what that means. It's like we're not done. We are always going to be learning, and I would just never want to think that I don't need anybody else's opinion or feedback or even if I disagree with you. You might say something that I just all I want to do is expand my brain. So that's my point. Is that? That's why I share everything with you, because I would never miss the opportunity to speak to an intelligent person about something that's been weighing on my mind right.

Speaker 2: 52:29

Well, I'm going to take the intelligent person as a compliment. Thank you very much. Yes, Okay.

Speaker 3: 52:37

Good, I took it and didn't you know we're self-defeated, yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:42

But you'd be surprised how many coaches actually have coaches. I mean, you really need to understand that if you're going to believe in coaching, you have to believe in your own coaching, exactly so. And the only way you're going to properly really get the coaching that you need is to be honest not just with yourself, but with the person that's coaching you, so we can help you along those things and have those different ideas and perspectives that come along with coaching.

Speaker 3: 53:09

Absolutely yes.

Speaker 2: 53:11

So yeah.

Speaker 3: 53:12

Yeah, so yeah, that's something I wanted to share with you, so I'm glad I did. I'm just writing it down, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:22

Okay, any questions about anything before I move on to my next subject.

Speaker 3: 53:26

Um, what are all the things I shared with you? The photo shoot, yeah. The weekly post you agree with blah blah blah?

Speaker 2: 53:36

okay, yeah, that was actually my next thing I wanted to go over with you. So weekly posting, yeah. So I'm glad you're posting to begin with. I mean, that's a great start and I really think that with your time schedule, that you have going on weekly posting is good enough for now.

Speaker 3: 53:55

Oh, yes, yes, I think so too.

Speaker 2: 53:58

You might want to look into some automations to help you in posting.

Speaker 3: 54:05

Yeah, you mentioned that.

Speaker 2: 54:06

yes, Because a lot of the postings I'm doing now that you actually even see, is automated.

Speaker 3: 54:13

Yeah, yeah, you have an app, I think, for that.

Speaker 2: 54:16

Yeah, the Pinnacle AI is what it's called.

Speaker 3: 54:19

I think you've chosen Pinnacle AI yeah. And sorry, do you mind if I take this as my daughter?

Speaker 2: 54:30

No, no, go, okay, go, let me just go ahead. So I would actually, once you get to that point where you think you can afford an automation, I would probably start dipping into that a little bit. That way you could actually get a little more constant. Weekly is fine, I try to do at least the daily of my actual doing with the posting, aside from my automations that happening, I don't know, I just feel better about it that way. But mostly it's for my podcast. I'm still kind of like I still haven't figured out how to do coaching posting. I guess you could say it's quite different than doing my podcasting posting. So it's still something I'm still kind of concentrating on. The one place I am doing a lot of my coaching is in a community that I just entered into called NumoSpec. Oh what's that? It's a creator lab community, so it's basically a community of creators, so not just podcasters, but like artists, music artists, all kinds of different types of creators.

Speaker 3: 55:46

Okay.

Speaker 2: 55:47

And it's I'm actually the director of sales for that company right now.

Speaker 3: 55:52

Oh, that's where I've heard it before.

Speaker 2: 55:53

Okay, yes, and so I'm in it for free Because I'm part of the company. But I mean, it's very inexpensive compared to a lot of communities that I've seen and they actually pay you for content.

Speaker 3: 56:09

Wow.

Speaker 2: 56:11

So it's $80 a month, but they give half of that back to as long as you give them an hour's worth of content.

Speaker 3: 56:20

What would be an hour's worth of content from me, for instance.

Speaker 2: 56:23

So what I do for my hour it might be different for you, but what I do for my hour is I have a camera that goes on behind the scenes of my podcasting. So what I do is when I do my interviews I have a camera behind this camera and before I actually hit record on the front camera, I hit record on the back camera and actually talk about myself and what's going on in my life for two or three minutes. And then my guest comes on and I talk to them for about five minutes before actually hitting record. Then I record the session and then when I turn this camera off, I keep that one going and I talk to them for a few minutes more to see if there's any more content that I can use or information or anything about them. So and I take those recordings and I'm gonna be posting those on as extra content and it's gonna qualify for my hour. So there's other ways to do it too. That's just the easiest way for me, because I'm already doing the content anyway and I'm just repurposing it.

Speaker 3: 57:22

Yeah, I'm trying to because I wouldn't wanna do. I don't think I wouldn't wanna do that for our podcast, at least not right now. I don't think Chris would be into that. For the moment I'm trying to think what I could do as a coach for extra content. But okay, I'll just have that in mind.

Speaker 2: 57:38

Yeah. So I mean, if you wanna join that community, you're more than welcome to just use my affiliate link to go in and you get 14 days for free to kind of figure things out and see if you like it.

Speaker 3: 57:50

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 57:51

And then you go from there.

Speaker 3: 57:52

So so just one second. I know you didn't mention this for me to ask questions about it, but apart from okay, I pay $80, I get $40 back when I provide an hours worth of content regarding coaching. But then what's the benefit? Like somebody might like promotion.

Speaker 2: 58:13

They actually promote you in their community. They will. They actually have something called a creator mall which you can actually post up. Hey, I do coaching, so it's a place for people to actually go to in the community to find you for a coach, as a coach, as a life coach I have mine in there as a entrepreneur coach. We have over a hundred people in there now, so it's a great place to market yourself and then you can spend people there. As for extra content that you can get paid for, so, but those 100 people are service providers. No, those 100 people are people like us.

Speaker 3: 58:57

Well, that's what I mean, Like where are the clients who are going to pay us?

Speaker 2: 59:01

So they actually find the people. The two that are in head of that, trevor and Brie, have a lot of outside connections that they use to their advantage to help us find people.

Speaker 3: 59:17

Okay.

Speaker 2: 59:19

So they're connectors. Basically is what they are.

Speaker 3: 59:21

Right, when I have a minute, I'm going to look into that, I'm going to Google that. Yeah, thank you, okay.

Speaker 2: 59:27

I'll send you my link. You could take a look at it. Mess around in there. If you want to do the 14 day free trial, you can do that. It's up to you. You know I'm not trying to sell you anything. I just you know I want. No, I don't.

Speaker 3: 59:39

Okay, I mean because I think, at this point, at this point.

Speaker 2: 59:42

Being a part of a community is really going to benefit you.

Speaker 3: 59:45

That's it Exactly. So, yeah, I mean remember. Another thing that I did that I haven't done yet is I went onto that app about becoming a guest on a podcast. Yeah, and I haven't recorded, but remember this podcast immediately found me. So I absolutely believe in networks and stuff like that. That's why I was the one asking questions. You weren't pitching.

Speaker 2: 1:00:16

I'm trying to steer away from being salesy, so that's all.

Speaker 3: 1:00:19

No, no, no, no, that was fine, Absolutely fine. Okay, what else?

Speaker 2: 1:00:23

Okay, you have any questions about that at all.

Speaker 3: 1:00:27

No, I think I need to dig in, and if something comes up I'll let you know.

Speaker 2: 1:00:31

Okay, one of the last things I want to touch on here is the amazing ability to find old friends in a new era and in a new time.

Speaker 3: 1:00:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:41

I mean, these are people that haven't reached out to you for 20, 30 years and, all of a sudden, here they are coming out of the woodworks to find you.

Speaker 3: 1:00:50

Yes, in the most genuine, heartfelt way. It's beautiful, it really is.

Speaker 2: 1:00:58

It really is. I'm actually starting to come across old high school friends that I haven't talked to in years, in years, and I guess our 30-year graduation anniversary is coming up here and I hope I can go to it. I don't know. But even then it's just amazing to see the changes that we've gone through. The people that we haven't had any touch with in such a long time reach out to us in a new way.

Speaker 3: 1:01:29

Absolutely. It's really moving. It's also very interesting. I'm not sure if this has been your experience, but one of the women who the third one not to listen to the episode, as far as I know anyway she asked me a question about her daughter's coming to Greece and maybe I could give her some advice. I said absolutely, probably. She's like oh God, you are still the sweetest person. But you remember, I always felt I was depressed, I felt like a fraud. When I was her friend at that age, I was always like nobody likes me, I'm an asshole, I always felt guilty for something and I was like people thought of me as a sweet person. It blew my mind, like 40 years later, my guess my point is that it's so interesting to see yourself through other people's eyes. Like we don't want to base our opinions of ourselves on what other people see in a validation kind of way, but it's like God, I had such a misperception of who I was, not just because one person said it Anyway. So, yes, it's very, very interesting and moving.

Speaker 2: 1:02:53

It's hard to see the label from inside the bottle.

Speaker 3: 1:02:57

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:02:58

Is really what that's about. I mean, you are sitting here looking out in our lives, so the only perception you have of that is what you see in yourself. Sometimes that's not a positive thing. So hearing people from the outside looking in helps us understand who we are as a person from that perspective Absolutely. So don't be afraid to even ask hey, what is my superpower? Hey, what do you think, what are the qualities that you like in me that I can use, or anything like that. Get that outside perspective from other people and use it, because these things that they see are your superpowers. These are the things that make you who you really are, even though inside our heads we hear these negative things about us, because that's our self-perception. That's the imposter syndrome that we talked about earlier. Exactly we don't know until somebody actually says hey, you're this and I really like that.

Speaker 3: 1:04:02

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:03

Then that changes what we think about ourselves. If they think I'm like this, why am I not being this to myself?

Speaker 3: 1:04:09

Exactly, and the flip side is that when they're saying something, negative about you, you've also got to look at that and see what's going on there.

Speaker 2: 1:04:18

It's harder to see it that it's harder to see it because it's the negative thing, but that's the gosh-honest truth.

Speaker 3: 1:04:23

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2: 1:04:25

Because what their perception of you is their perception and it's not just their perception, but it could be other people's perception of you as well- and it's often something you're aware of, but you just don't want to accept it. Oh, very much.

Speaker 3: 1:04:39

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:40

So that's one thing I've learned about myself over the last two or three years, actually about myself and the kind of negative things that I was doing on the outside that I didn't realize I was doing. But once I started doing this, like the podcasting and the coaching and things like that, I'm a whole different person. You wouldn't recognize me two and a half three years ago. I'm a whole different person from that.

Speaker 3: 1:05:08

I believe it, I absolutely believe it. My amazing congratulations.

Speaker 2: 1:05:13

Oh, thanks, see you ahead. Ok, all right, so I know you probably need to get to your daughter. I'm pretty much done here at this point. I want you to tell me three takeaways from our conversation today.

Speaker 3: 1:05:29

Oh.

Speaker 2: 1:05:33

Yes, you can use your notes.

Speaker 3: 1:05:42

Your feedback on my questionnaire was spot on. So I really really, really appreciated that. Um, your encouragement about the modeling, because you see, I think that there are a lot of coaches out there who would say, no, you need to focus your coach, don't spend yourself too thin, you know you need to laser focus. So I really do appreciate that you are not limiting me. You believe in my sort of intuition enough to know that I'm running with this for some kind of reason and also that I'm not flitting from one link to the other Like I'm still doing the podcast, I'm still doing the coaching. If the modeling comes up, I'll see. If it's something that I can make a few extra bucks out here and there, that's fantastic. It's something that's going to pay me crap and take time away from my child and my coaching, and then, no, I'm probably not interested. But you respect it. You respect my intelligence and judgment enough to encourage me to at least sort of see what it's all about. I feel like I'm blanking out, but anyway, just like again the thing about the five people you spend the most time with. I think that that, as I said, I've heard it before, but it was good to hear it again, because I do sometimes feel a little bit guilty about not spending as much time with some older friends that I should, but I just am so adamant about being with people who inspire me and who I can learn from or something, so that was just a really good reminder, I guess.

Speaker 2: 1:07:49

Good Sometimes, I mean even for me. Sometimes I have to hear things two or three times before it actually sinks into my psyche so I could actually follow it. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 3: 1:08:02

Yeah, oh, no, oh, absolutely yeah, all right.

Speaker 2: 1:08:08

The quick thing here too is, I really feel, going with your gut about where you're going, especially this early in the game, is a good thing.

Speaker 3: 1:08:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:08:17

And that's why I kind of encourage you to go with your gut on the modeling, because it's trying to tell you something.

Speaker 3: 1:08:23

I think so too. You don't know what?

Speaker 2: 1:08:25

but it's trying to tell you something, so I really think going with your gut on that. Just don't make sure you set your boundaries. Like you said, Don't hurt yourself too thin. If you think you handle it, great. If you don't think you can handle it, or something like that, put the ID in a shoebox and come back to it later.

Speaker 3: 1:08:43

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:08:44

Because I got to pile a shoebox ideas right now. That's just.

Speaker 3: 1:08:48

Oh, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 2: 1:08:50

I'm just waiting for the extra time to be able to accomplish it.

Speaker 3: 1:08:54

So yeah One. I don't feel like we set goals, but it's probably my fault because I have to get going. But maybe I can come up with my own tangible goals.

Speaker 2: 1:09:05

I think, I think you have come up with goals already.

Speaker 3: 1:09:09

What the hell did I do? I could do the questionnaire like get more feedback and, when I'm happy with it, post that it's available for anybody who wants to fill it out you'll get to do whatever I have to do about modeling, it's weird even just saying that I have to absolutely clarify my relationship with my client. I have to keep up with my weekly postings and, yeah, I'm not going to the automation. I'm not even going to think about it right now. It's not for now. And you did get me thinking about finding some more networks, either the one that you are affiliated with or in general.

Speaker 2: 1:09:53

Yeah, see, I told you, you said goals for yourself already, you just didn't know it.

Speaker 3: 1:09:57

Fine, fine.

Speaker 2: 1:10:02

Jay, sorry, All right, Thank you so much, Deb. It's been a pleasure and we'll go ahead and talk off for a second here. Ok, Thank you for listening to the coaching edition of the Undiscovered Entrepreneur Brought to you by Doing it Today Coaching. If you want to get across the start line, contact me, DJ Scoob, at doingitodaycoachingatgmailcom and say the words. Do it now for a free two-hour discovery call to see how I can help you in your entrepreneur adventure. Art and graphics by Elaine Wilson, supported by my Patreon, Brian Briggs of OceanTree Creative and Oliver Siegel of Anall, and hosted by me, DJ Scoob. Click the show notes below for more information and remember I can, I am, I will and I'm doing it today.