Lizzie Thomas on Authenticity, Creative Health & Trusting the Detour

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I will be awakened at two in the morning singing a melody and I just sing it into my phone. Um I also really believe that dreaming, like what you said, when you ask questions, like when you when you look at the dream state as serious as the waking state. I think that things begin to change. We have the ability. I travel in my dreams, I fly in my dreams, I get direction, I hear from my ancestors. I mean, I think the sky's the limit because when we're sleeping, we we are in the subconscious, but we're also in certain different states of being where we're able to access things that we don't necessarily give ourselves the permission or ability to access in the waking life.

SPEAKER_02 2:00

Salutations, Scooby Leavers, and we are here again with another amazing entrepreneur. Today we're here with Lizzie. Hey Lizzie, how are you?

SPEAKER_03 2:09

Hey, hey, hey, I'm great. How are you doing today?

SPEAKER_02 2:12

Fantastic. Thank you so, so much for taking the time out of your day to be on the Undiscovered Entrepreneur. Get across the start line. Super appreciate you.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

My pleasure.

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All right. So before we go any further here, I've a semi-serious question to ask you. Okay, you ready, Lizzie?

SPEAKER_03 2:30

I'm totally ready.

SPEAKER_02 2:31

Okay, here we go. Are you a school believer?

SPEAKER_03 2:38

I totally am. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 2:41

Yay! Lizzie's a school believer. Thank you, Lizzie. That's so amazing. Thank you. Woo-hoo! All right.

unknown 2:48

Woohoo!

SPEAKER_02 2:49

Yeah. All right. All right, right here up front, what I'd like to do with you is just kind of get an idea of who you are, what your entrepreneur adventure is, how you actually got across the start line in your entrepreneur adventure.

SPEAKER_03 3:04

Okay. I could say that I'm a musical entrepreneur.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_03 3:09

I've been a musical entrepreneur all my life. That involves education, teaching, being an independent artist, musician, being a tour manager, being a record label. I started my own record label owner as well. I'm also writing a book. So I have a publishing company, an LLC. I mean, we could keep going on and on, but I think that's the point of the conversation here. So that is me. I am a jazz singer, songwriter, arranger, producer. And uh not only do I perform and share my music and write and create music, but I also speak and teach and help people live a more authentic life and find out who they are and remember who they are and really feel a mission and a purpose in this life to be themselves.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

That's fantastic. I always have a soft spot from any type of musician that comes onto the podcast because number one, my brother is actually in a band in uh in Reno and Sparks, and he's been in his band for over 14 years. And he he's a drum, he's a drummer, but he also does a lot of the back stuff too. So, you know, shout out to my brother. But yeah, I love musicians, especially when they come onto my podcast, because I always have a special spot for them in my podcast because they experience things that are still entrepreneurial, but it's a whole different kind of aspect of you know experiences they have. I I see that a lot of a lot of mus musicians or actors come across a lot of imposter syndrome, a lot of perfectionism and things like that. So I'm I'm really excited to have you on the program. This is fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 4:56

Thank you for having me. I'm really delighted to be here. And yes, I can speak to all sorts of fear, failure, perfectionism, imposter syndrome, all of those things because I definitely have experienced them all.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yes, absolutely. I love that. So when it comes to say now, I think the thing that come comes up to me most often when it comes to someone like you, Lizzie, is perfectionism because we're always like doing the retakes or we're doing it over and over and over again, trying to get it just right. And I'm sure sometimes that kind of gets in the way, don't you think?

SPEAKER_03 5:31

Yes. Yes. I will say this about that. When I began to look at my music more objectively and took myself out of it, I became more and I became more of a listener to the music and a listener to the songs and a conduit of the songs. And someone, I as I took myself out of it more, I realized that I had more liberation and more power in creating what it is that I heard because it kind of um took it all off of me. It wasn't about, ooh, my emotions or my feelings or my expertise, or it wasn't about me anymore. It was about serving the song. And the song desires this. The song, I really hear that the song wants this. Um, the guitarist, I sense that the song will kind of sparkle a little more if the guitarist is brought up higher. So when I began to look at it objectively, I became way more effective.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

I could see that happening too, because we really kind of got to get out of ourselves when it comes to not just music or anything else, but anything that we do and stop trying to make something that we would like, right? Because if we're making something that we like, we're making it for ourselves. We're not making it for our customers, we're not making it for our music or anything else. So if we could take a step outside of the bottle, as it were, because you can't see anything from the inside of the bottle. You have to look outside the bottle to see what you know what's in the ingredients, what's going on in there, and how we can do it. Yeah, then we can actually see what we need to make it what it's supposed to be, what it's potentially supposed to be, and have its full potential come out.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Completely agreed. Yeah, I think that's the way to approach everything. Being able to take take some a perfect example of that, and you can apply this to any type of work that you're doing. Um, sometimes you just need to take a break. Sometimes you need to walk away. You need to rest your ears, you need to take a nap, you need to get into nature. You just need to exit what you're doing so that you can have just a renewed perspective on what it is that you're doing. And sometimes it's in those moments where you get the revelation of, oh, that's the answer to that. Oh, that's the direction I need to go in. Oh, that's that's what I've been looking for. But it's only until you exit out of it that you begin to see more clearly.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Well, we got to give ourselves permission to take that rest. And I think that's the hardest really thing to do when it comes to that particular aspect because we want to be the hard worker that grinds it out and keeps going and going and going. But if you keep doing it like that, you will definitely 100% experience burnout. You will just get so tired all the time. All you're gonna want to do when you finally get to a resting point is just pass out and be done with the whole thing.

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Yeah.

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Now I'm a huge advocate of naps. I love naps. I I enjoy naps like a good steak.

SPEAKER_03 8:39

But I agree. I actually took one today.

SPEAKER_02 8:43

Yeah, I did too. All right. So yeah. Love it. But it's the ref it's the brain refresher, so we have room for the new stuff to come in, the ideas to come into our heads that we get that aha moment. If we don't take time for ourselves to reset our brains, clear out the bad stuff, as it were, and make room for this for the idea to hit in our heads, we'll never have that breaking idea that we need, just like you said earlier. Oh, I needed that. That will never come because your your brain is so full of everything that you're doing right now, right? It just keeps hitting a brick wall.

SPEAKER_03 9:17

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you bring to mind so many things that I believe in that I think are so important for being a creator, creative health, I want to call it. And that really is serving yourself, putting yourself first, really allowing yourself the time, whatever it is that you need to do, so that you can take care of yourself, and therefore everything else around you is really tended to. Um, and and and also the idea of releasing, you know, in order to receive, you have to let go. You have to release. Because if you're hanging on to everything and gripping on, you don't have the ability to receive. And so, you know, philosophically speaking, I think those are really important laws, being able to release and let go in order to receive, and then also taking care of your vessel. If if the the reality is, if you're not taking care of yourself, nobody else is. And we have to quote, I I love flowers, and beside me, I have a beautiful bouquet of flowers. The reality is I have to change out the water and eventually I'm gonna have to throw them away, and then I'm gonna clean the vase that was that they were in, make sure it's all clean and ready to receive the next batch of flowers. It's it's a simplistic way to speak of the the grand philosophical topic that we're speaking to.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

I love that creative health. That actually sounds like you could make a whole like section just for that. You know, uh it's not just like health, like you know, a good heart or or you know, taking exercise or that kind of thing, but it's it's taking care of of your creative self so you always have that flow to come in and and have that moment that you're looking for. Because if you don't take care, really if you don't take care of yourself, how are you gonna take care of anybody else? Nobody's gonna want to be with you if you can't take care of yourself first. We gotta it it sounds egotistical or anything like that, but technically, if you can't take care of yourself, how are you supposed to take care of anybody else?

SPEAKER_03 11:44

Exactly.

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All right, that's great. I love it, I love it. Yeah, so so in your comings and goings, I'm sure you've met a lot of people that had maybe imposter syndrome and and that kind of thing, too. What do you think about that? Because I know uh that could be a stifling as well, too, maybe even more than just perfectionism.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Well, I think I'll I'll go big here. I think imposter syndrome has a lot to do with self-worth. And when you get and and also fear. So I think when you're tapping into why I'm feeling like I don't belong, or I don't get to, or they get it, but I don't. I mean, what other imposter syndrome kind of mantras are there?

SPEAKER_02 12:37

A lot of a lot of what I've experienced, especially talking to brand new entrepreneurs, are the feeling of unworthiness. Like I'm not worthy to be move, you know, to be where I'm at right now. I'm just a guy. I'm just me. I read this in a book somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

But at the same time, yeah, so you're confirming.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

You're confirming what I said, yeah. So I think the imposter syndrome, the reality is you don't know who you are. Start there. Because you're gonna get a lot more freedom and liberation and ability to create when you really understand why you're creating, who you're creating for, but underneath that, you're not gonna know those things unless you know who you are.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Because if you don't know who you are, how I'm this is kind of the same thing. If you don't know who you are, how's anybody else gonna know who you are? Exactly. I know it kind of goes back to what we're talking about earlier, but it kind of if you really think about it, it's kind of the same thing. If you're gonna have a tribe that follows you, they're gonna want to follow you for who you are. If you don't know who you are, how is there gonna be anybody following you?

SPEAKER_03 13:48

Exactly. Exactly. Well, and you know, marketing and and good ideas and branding can can cover only so far. You know, it's like a house of cards. You've got all the cards there, you've got all the things, and people are like, oh, this is great, but eventually you're gonna be exposed either for who you are because you know who you are, or we're gonna find out you don't really know who you are, and validity then breaks, integrity breaks, and so agreed, we'll get back to the point. You gotta know who you are.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

And if if you're doing something let's for just say for the money, let's just put it that way. If you're doing it just for the money and not for yourself, as far as that goes, you're gonna be exposed so much quicker and it's gonna go so much worse because especially nowadays, we don't want to be the one that does it for the money, we want to be the one that does it for that warm, fuzzy feeling we get in our chest. We want to do it for being able to help help other people because we rise by lifting others. That's really what it boils down to. But you need to know who you are first to be able to accomplish those other things.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Yeah. So how do you do that? That's the big question.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

It really depends on the person. It can't be a one-stop shop. It never really is, especially with the people that I've coached. Everybody's gonna have different experiences with different emotions and feelings. So we can't really say, hey, you're like this because of this. We have to ask the questions of ourselves of why we're like this, and then answer those questions, just don't leave them up in the air. We have to be able to answer the hard questions about who we are.

SPEAKER_03 15:35

Yeah. People spend lifetimes trying to answer that question.

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But sometimes it's the journey, and answering that question is what we actually find, if I'm phrasing that right.

SPEAKER_03 15:49

Well said.

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Yes.

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It lacks the doom and gloom of what I said.

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Oh, well, you know.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

It's very coach-like of you. No, but it it is true. It is about the journey, you know, and and I think that's the beautiful aspect of being humans at this time. We get to continue to peel back the layers to inspect and be curious and figure out, huh? I really like this. I don't know why, but I feel really home here or I feel really connected to you and I just met you. That's really interesting. Let's figure out why. You know, I think curiosity is the key to a really great existence as a human.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Well, it's what drives us, it's what makes us go to the next question or the next area or whatever it is. I wonder what it'd be like if we did this.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

I wonder what it'd be like if I went this direction. And who knows, maybe it's the right direction, maybe it's the wrong direction, but it's a direction. That's that's the thing. Yeah, we we gotta get across the start line, and the only way we can get across the start line is to pick a direction and go. For good or for bad, it's a direction.

SPEAKER_03 17:03

Yeah, yes. One of my favorite quotes from Rumi is you only realize the path once you start walking the path. You know, and it speaks to the idea of action, like what you just said, like you have to keep moving forward in movement to understand exactly what the journey is.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Because there's no end without a beginning. So we have to get across a start line to get to that end.

SPEAKER_03 17:41

And there's no beginning without an end.

SPEAKER_02 17:43

That's right. It comes full circle, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 17:47

Love it, sure does.

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All right. So I know you've been on a lot of podcasts and you've heard questions like, you know, what was the biggest pitfall that you've experienced? What's the hardest thing you've ever experienced? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I like to put a little bit of a spin on that question. What I'd like to know here is what is the hardest pitfall you've experienced that you're proud of? In other words, I'm glad I had this experience, even though it was negative, because on the other side of that negative experience was something so amazing that happened to me. Do you have ever had things like that happen to you, Lizzie?

SPEAKER_03 18:18

Yeah, absolutely. And I've never really this will be the first time I put this into words. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Oh boy, I'm very ready.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Big reveal.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

Yes.

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So, New York City jazz vocalists for the last 19 years. And what it means to me and to my colleagues to be a jazz musician is that you sing and perform the songs of others, the great jazz musicians of the American songbook. That leans into the Broadway and the musical tunes, the Cole Porter, George Gershwin, Rogers and Hart, you know, the songwriting teams. But then that also runs into like black American music, which makes up the jazz canon. So Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Thelonious Monk. Um, we go on and on and on. So I was dedicated, obsessed with the American songbook and the jazz canon. 15 years, most of my career, that's what I studied, that's what my education is in. And so I started writing my own music. I started hearing melodies, I started hearing lyrics in meditation, in dreams. And so what began of that is I'm about to release my second album of all original material that I have written, arranged, and produced. Now, the pitfall here is I'm not singing those songs anymore, like recording them. You know, I'm not quote dedicated to the jazz canon the way that I used to be. And some would say that I have abandoned the jazz canon, the jazz world, the jazz singer. I would say look deeper, listen more closely because everything I do is rooted in jazz. And at a performance, you're still gonna hear me sing the most beautiful standards that I've learned from the from the jazz songbook. But in addition, you're going to hear my original music, and you're going to hear that it's infused with soul and pop and RB and these grooving bass lines and this driving intensity, whether it's a heartbreaking ballad or it is a fast-paced bass drive, grooving. Um you know, one of my newest songs almost feels like a heavy metal song. I know it sounds crazy. So to answer the question, as I take you on that journey, that was a bit of a pitfall. That was a huge detour. That was a huge change in what I had been doing. And I have never been more authentically myself. I have never been more liberated, walking in freedom and more in touch with my music and myself as a musician, as a writer, as someone who is connected to the sound frequencies of music and the healing frequencies that can take place within the musical experience as well. So I am very happy, it seems blasé to say, thrilled, magnetized, joyful, blissful to be on this side and being able to express myself in this way and have people respond in in a positive way. And that's so, yes. Yes, that would be my answer and my illustration of holy cow, I never thought I'd get here, but thank goddess I am.

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Yes, absolutely, and I love that so much because there's so much I I you have a really awesome music aspect of that, but you could also turn that into an aspect for business too. So if you have like a uh mentor, somebody that you follow, somebody that you've listened to that you really love listening to, and you want to do similar to what they're doing, don't do exactly what they're doing. You didn't live their lives, you didn't have their experiences, don't expect to have the same kind of reactions as they've had in their lives. Make it your own. Right, put the twist in there that makes it your personality, put the twist in there that makes it who you are. Use the best things from them and make it your own. That's kind of what I do too, because I have asked I've when I first started learning how to podcast and how to do this whole thing that I'm doing now, I learned from other people, but I took the best of theirs and just added my own essence, added my own personalities. There's not a whole lot of podcasters gonna laugh like Scooby-Doo. But I made it my own. That's how I did it. And also the part that really intrigues me too about your story is a lot of what the things that you experience came out of your subconscious. A lot of us don't listen to our subconscious the way we really should, or even know how the subconscious can actually work for us when we're not thinking. The one thing that I've come across is meditation's been whole a whole new thing for me, and it's been and very enlightening for me. But the thing too is asking for asking a question before I fall asleep is something I've been doing. Where just when you just know you're just about to fall asleep, you ask a very serious question. How can I come across this? How can I make this happen? This is a goal that I have. How do I make this happen just before you fall asleep? A lot of times, in the background, your brain will actually start thinking about answers for that because you've asked the question, which is probably the most important thing. Sometimes the question is more important than the answer. But ask the question to your subconscious, see what happens. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

I love that. I think that's brilliant. I do, I do. I'm a I'm an avid dreamer. I uh I find that gosh, I'll try to make it short. I will be awakened at two in the morning singing a melody and I just sing it into my phone. I also really believe that dreaming, like what you said, when you ask questions, like when you when you look at the dream state as serious as the waking state, I think that things begin to change. We have the ability, I travel in my dreams, I fly in my dreams, I get direction, I hear from my ancestors. I mean, I think the sky's the limit because you're shutting when we're sleeping, we we are in the subconscious, but we're also in certain different states of being where we're able to access things that we don't necessarily give ourselves the permission or ability to access in the waking life.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

Exactly. Very, very well put. We can get a lot of answers there that we don't normally get from talking to people. It's it's kind of a different aspect. So um take it for what it is. Some people understand it, work it, some people don't, and that's okay. But if you can get an answer of a question that you can't really just work on on your own from your own mind, why not give it a try and see what comes out of it?

SPEAKER_03 26:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

So that's that's great. Thank you, Lizzie. Thank you for for going over that with us.

SPEAKER_03 26:28

Absolutely.

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All right. So if you came across a brand new entrepreneur that's just just getting started, as I think you do every once in a while, what good one solid piece of advice would you give? What good first step would you have them take if they asked you what they should do?

SPEAKER_03 26:49

The first thing I would say that they need to do is find out who they are. No. That's a big question. The second thing I would say, I'm I'm a big believer in action and um writing through a plan. So I would say, great. So say they come and they're like, I've got this plan, I've got this idea, I think this is gonna be awesome. Okay, write out your plan. Who's your audience? What are you solving? You know, what problem are you solving? But more more so the problem that you're solving, why are people going to be turned on by you? What is it that you're what are you motivating in them? I think is a good question too. Because I think at this point we're all a little sick and tired of I'm going to change your life, I'm going to solve your life, I'm going to save you from this is what you're like, the 10-step plan, like it's a it's done, we're over it. So I think we're wanting to be appealing to the senses. People want experiences, people want to feel, and I think I would have a conversation more in that kind of realm. Like, how are you making people feel? What do you want people to feel? That's a good start.

SPEAKER_02 28:15

Absolutely. And but it all comes back to what we actually first started about in the very beginning of the podcast. You need to know how you feel before you can understand how you could have help other people with the way they feel.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

And they'll follow you for that. What's your differentiator? What's your motivation? What's the thing that's gonna make you different from everybody else? Don't have a 10-step plan, have a six point two plan, I don't know, something different, something different than you've heard out there before. And you could come up with something. Not trust me, not everything has been taken. There's always something out there that's gonna make it make a difference, but it's up to you, my school believers and entrepreneurs out there, to find what's gonna work for you.

SPEAKER_03 29:02

Yeah, and I have to add this because it is authentic authenticity. That's the answer. Being authentic. No one else can say what you say, no one else can say what I say, no one else is gonna see the perspective that way, and to really lean into that and to trust that I think is the key. Because we don't want regirt, you know, like rehashed, or we don't want something that, oh well, if I do this, eventually it's gonna break down and we're gonna see that it's not you. So I would say the branding is your absolute authenticity.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

I agree a hundred percent, especially nowadays. Authenticity and the human connection is starved for right now because of AI and everything else that's going on right now. It's just a bunch of slop out there now. People want to know that you're a human being, people want to see the mistakes, people want to see the umms and the ahs and and understand that you are human. You don't want it to be perfect. You almost don't want it to be perfect, kind of the opposite of what you would normally think. Just because they'll think, oh, well, this is AI, it's just too good.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Yeah. Yeah, I have people say that to me all the time.

SPEAKER_02 30:26

All right, that's fantastic. So, Lizzie, I do this with all my guests in the next six months. Do you have something for yourself and your company and all that good stuff? What do you have planned for the next six months?

SPEAKER_03 30:40

Oh wow, I love that question. I release This Is Freedom, my ninth album, my second all-original, fully arranged and produced album on my label, Goddess Legacy Records, on August 12th. Then I begin touring and doing album release shows. I have one in New York City at the City Winery on September 19th. I then go to LA and I go to the Sunset Marquee Hotel and perform on September 23rd. And then I pop over to Europe and I'm in Germany, Frankfurt, Germany, at a club that I visited last year, exactly a year before, and sharing This Is Freedom, the music from This Is Freedom, and also some jazz standards in my set. I then will go to Italy where I have a press agency there and we'll do interviews and appearances and also perform in Italy, North Italy. And then I come back to New York City and perform at Carnegie Hall on November 13th. And then that leads us into the holiday season, which I do holiday shows all over generally mostly domestic, so all over the United States. And I'm writing a book. So I'm thinking that January will be a good time to I don't maybe begin to finish the book. And then I start all over again. I'll go to the Grammys in February and we'll we'll see. I mean, I in the midst of that, I'm writing and um recording and meeting people and engaging and sharing the message of my music. That's what my next six months looks like.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

That's fantastic. I love that so much. So what I'd like to do with you, if it's okay, Lizzie, is I'd actually like to follow up with another interview just like this. See how your experiences were on the tour and how the book's going and that kind of thing, and see how that's going. Is that okay with you, Lizzie?

SPEAKER_03 32:50

I would love that. Absolutely.

unknown 32:52

All right.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

You don't keep me on course. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

Because you're not just accountable to me now, you're accountable to all my school believers out there. So no pressure.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I'd love so my full name is Lizzie Thomas, and all of my socials and my website is Lizzie L-I-Z-Z-I-E, the jazz singer. So everyone can find me there. Please reach out. I I'm a real person and I am that person in the DM saying, hi, yes, thank you for listening. My new single, my new album's coming out. Like that really is me. So please find me and we can have a nice conversation.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

All right, fantastic. Do you happen to have a link we can go to that has your um like where you're gonna be at for this next six months, like we talked about?

SPEAKER_03 33:40

Yeah, on my website. On my website's there. If you um if you're a Spotify listener, they'll have see Lizzie perform at there's you know a part on the Spotify profile, you see where I'm performing. So I think everything's kind of connected now, which is nice. I have a really robust YouTube video where you see more developed videos of the things that I kind of tease on Instagram and TikTok and Facebook. So uh visit me on YouTube as well. And yeah, you can you can I uh I love a good stalk.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

That's funny. I love that. So uh if you're driving or walking the dog or doing something that you can't get to your phone right now, make sure you head to the show notes. We're gonna have all of Lizzie's information so we can uh follow Lizzie and stalk her, I guess. I don't know. She said whatever.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

I'm an artist. Stalk away.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

There you go. Lisa, this has been an absolute treat. Thank you so much for being on the Undiscovered Entrepreneur. I love talking with you. I love hearing about your performances and and your experiences. Thank you so much for being on.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for having me, and I look forward to to talking again in half a year.

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Yeah, absolutely. All right, school believers, make sure you stay tuned for the wrap up. Okay, everybody, thank you. Bye-bye. All right, school believers. That was Lizzie. What an excellent conversation we've had with Lizzie today. Uh, I don't know uh if you knew this or not, but I do like uh interviewing somebody from the entertainment industry at least once a year. Lizzie was the greatest choice I could have made for this year. She is fantastic, but uh just like usual, I still have at least two takeaways I want to make sure that you were aware of. The detour you've been resisting might not mean you're lost, it might be exactly where you meant to be at that particular time. Lizzie spent 15 years working for somebody else, but that doesn't mean she wasn't meant to be there. That means that there were things that she needed to learn from that experience, but then once she literally started listening to her dreams and understanding where she needed to go, that's the time that she took action. That's when she took everything she learned in those 15 years working for somebody else and started making it her own. All the mastery that she has been quietly preparing finally came to fruition once she actually realized how she was able to work it into her zone of genius and make her dreams come true. And now she's living it. And you can too. Just because right now you're working for somebody else doesn't mean that you're not supposed to be there. Learn from every experience that you have in life and take whatever it is that you're learning from that experience and turn it into something that you know that you can make for yourself. Wherever you're at right now is exactly where you're supposed to be. You're supposed to learn something from it, you're supposed to meet somebody. It's important to take the things that life gives us and turn it into something we're supposed to be doing. Just like for me, as I'm growing and as I'm doing my podcast, I'm talking to people that I never would have even thought about reaching out to until I started my podcast and learning the ins and outs of doing the podcast and the ins and out of communicating and being able to network with other people. If I never would have started my podcast, I never would have learned that. So take whatever it is that you're doing, whether it's part of your business, whether it's somebody else's business that you just happen to be in a part of, and decide what you're supposed to learn from it. And then when you see the time's right, act on it. And take what you've learned and turn it into what it's supposed to be, what it was meant to be. You cannot give people something real if you're running on empty. And the hardest permission an entrepreneur ever gives themselves is the one to simply stop and make room for their health. Lizzie came up with a fantastic couple words that I want to make sure you kind of found creative health. And that's nothing I've ever heard of before, but it's so impactful for me because we have to have health for our creativity. And it's not just for artists, it's for anybody that's trying to create something in their entrepreneur adventure, trying to create something for themselves. Take time for yourself to be creative. Sometimes not even just in the field that you're working in, sometimes not even in your entrepreneurial adventure. But do something that makes you think harder, makes you work different parts of your brain. Take a book guitar lesson, take a painting, whatever you feel scratches that itch of creativity because in the long run it's going to help you in your business. If we keep what we're doing doing over and over and over again, all we're really gonna do is get tired of it and burn out. We gotta make sure that we keep our options open and we are making something. I mean, the one who grinds until there's nothing left has nothing left to give. So let's give ourselves that permission for creative health. With that, I'm gonna say thank you, Scooby Leavers, for another fantastic episode. If you know somebody that could benefit from what Lizzie has said, or even what I've said in this podcast, please, please share it with another another future entrepreneur or somebody you know that's starting their entrepreneur adventure. I really think they can get something out of this. Alright, school believers. Thank you. Bye-bye. And there you have it, future entrepreneurs. We've taken a vital step on the journey across the start line. Remember, every great business begins with a single idea and the courage to pursue it. And you've already showed that courage just by being here today. As we wrap up this episode of the Undiscovered Entrepreneur Get Across the Start Line, I want you to reflect on the path you have to recognize the four hurdles of stock. Is it imposter syndrome holding you back? Is it perfectionism failure or fear? Identifying which one affects you the most is the key to unlocking your momentum. But here's the real secret the hurdles are not in the way, they are the way. Every time you clear one, you're building the exact strength you need for your journey ahead. Until our next episode, keep pushing, keep dreaming, and keep jumping over those hurdles. This is Scoob, your guide across the start line. Remember, your future is waiting. I can, I am, I will, and I'm doing it today.